After my recent episode where Grug, AJ, and I went through Walt Bismarck’s “Why I’m No Longer A White Nationalist” article, the author asked me to come on his show to discuss it, and the differences in our worldviews more generally. While I certainly have a lot of disagreements with him, I thought it was an enjoyable and engaging conversation, and hopefully you all will find something to enjoy about it as well.
Walt has been kind enough to release the entire episode rather than putting it behind his paywall, so please visit his site and download it from there if possible:
https://newaltright.substack.com/p/episode-24-the-midwest-strikes-back
“get pussy and get money”
Basically revolting. I could conceive possibly see sacrificing racial purity for a higher morality and romantic ideal, but when you have neither then you just stand for nothing.
I am never impressed by any of these reformed WN who saw the “error” of their ways. Its aways the same lame excuses – What is White – I got tired of hating – Muh GOP can work for us. He saw Jewish power and decided to join the winning team. Just another Jewish lackey I hope he rots in hell.
A shameful display. There’s no reason to provide free engagement to disgusting mischling bugmen like him.
Sorry to hear you disliked it. But given that I’ve went on shows of anti White libtards before, and nobody cared, I don’t really see the problem. He’s putting it our for free instead of pay walling it, so he’s only potentially getting views out of it. Long story short, I don’t consider going on a podcast to be giving him much of anything.
This was very good. I can’t hate this guy even tho he sounds Jewish a f. Thank you for going on and actually having a civil discussion. This is how we grow.
A great deal can be said in analysing this conversation…
TO MAKE IT SHORT – Only “a little something“ to keep in mind:
In the end both Walt and Gordon agree on “working together“, “making a coalition“ (Walt)
Well – well – Good luck with that.
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It sounds on Walt’s side like a RECRUITMENT EFFORT all over. Trap after trap. Clearly identifiable as such. So typically for how it is being done. Does it work on you, Gordon? – They always lure them in by promising money, wealth and power…
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As for me – I cannot but congratulate the farmer communities of the American Midwest on having that kind of cohesion – NOT as easily being infiltrated, subverted (“Change“ – Where to?) “transitioned“… by a “spiritually Jewish guy” coming from outside, now trying to recruit an insider (Gordon – “a smart guy”, is he? Is he stepping right into the trap?)
(Walt “Bismarck” – actual surname, or some kind of intent in choosing a prominent German name? Playing a German song in the beginning?) First claiming and then disclaiming to be “a white nationalist” – all at the same time! A disclaimer while still claiming to be “pro-white“ (worth next to nothing, my impression)
It’s the “Trump type“ – a FRAUD – a DECEPTION nobody in his/her right mind would fall for…
A self-proclaimed “1000% Zionist“ (Trump) CANNOT BE an American patriot at the same time.
A self-proclaimed “spiritually Jewish guy“ (Walt) CANNOT BE a white nationalist at the same time.
A CLEAR CUT CASE & CASE CLOSED.
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So – what then is the purpose supposed to be of “working together“, of “making a coalition“ (Walt) ?
Gordon, do you know the answer? An answer which does make ANY sense?
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I agree with the Windham comment above. In my words: If you have no clear principles you adhere to – no clear goals – you basically stand for nothing – and you’ll achieve nothing worthwhile. You make compromise upon compromise – and by doing so, you’ll lose yourself and everything you held dear – you’ll lose it in the end.
Walt Bismarck isn’t his real name, he used to make edgy parodies of Disney songs, so he went by “Walt Bismarck” instead of “Walt Disney”
You guys would shame Manstein for not charging straight at the Maginot Line.
“I gave up White Nationalism to chase yenta pussy.” -Walt Fagmark
“… nobody cared, I don’t see the problem” (Gordon)
You don’t? – I am sure you do by now.
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Isn’t it a good thing that by now – more and more are awake – also due to your own efforts?
That MORE & MORE DO CARE because they can see the problem: What the genocidal Satanic Jews have done and keep doing to us…
The problem of what Jews call “religion” – “spirituality” – “values” – turning everything upside down!!! “Spiritual” Jews do not want to admit it but they worship Evil!!! They love an excessive life style – “Do whatever you want shall be the whole of the law!” (“Redemption through Sin”) No matter what names they use for the Evil they serve – Lucifer – Satan – Molech – Baal – Baphomet – or whatever the names of evil demons from hell… Specific Satanic rituals are initiation rites into Satanism – Luciferianism – The scum “elites“ terrorizing the planet are Satanists – super rich & super ugly (what they call “beautiful”)
Hence – “Working together” – “Making a coalition” with people who are “spiritually Jewish” must be out of the question – It equals making a deal/deals with evil forces – Selling one’s soul to the Devil – By no means “best friends and allies” – THEY CANNOT BE…
The problem of the Jewish hatred – greed – malice – viciousness – lies – deception!!! The polar opposite of everything good, valuable, and beautiful – The infiltration, subversion, division, destruction, mutilation facilitated by Jews – The problem of the Jewish infestation into the white societies – a LETHAL CANCER…
The problem of the rampant Jewish anti-white racism in particular – The problem of the Jewish hatred of the white race & all of humanity – The problem of the Jewish plans to exterminate the white race –
The problem of the Jewish anti-humanness – Jewish inhumaneness…
The problem of the Jewish hatred for anyone who stands in their way… The Jewish plans to exterminate “AMALEK” – what they call ALL NON-JEWISH OPPONENTS – foremost all white people, men, women and children – and in extension everyone else, regardless of a specific race…
It’s not about “Anti-Semitism” (a misnomer – meant to confuse the “stupid goy”) –
Jews are the worst anti-Semites themselves – the worst haters!!! – Ruthlessly genociding the Palestinians… and all Arab neighbors over decades!!! – Ruthlessly committing multiple mass murder genocides over the centuries!!! – Most of the “Jews” are not even Semites/Shemites themselves…
It’s about doing the right thing – We are not “far right extremists” – we are only extremely right so far…
IF we do our very best not to make any compromises with Evil.
As a coastie, I want to shove Walt Bismark in a locker. What a fuckin nerd. He should be sentenced to 10 years of perpetually building birdhouses.
I can see why the guy who suicide-baited on Telegram because “fat and no pussy” would find his greatest rival in “be attractive and get pussy”. Clash of the titans.
#What is the ‘American identity‘? And more specific: What is the ‘Midwestern Amerikaner identity‘?
“I’m not Irish. I’m not German. I’m not European. I would fit in nowhere in Europe.“ (Gordon)
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That does not sound good. Like a broken identity. What do you identify yourself with if not at all with Irish-German culture from your Irish Mum’s and German Dad’s side? – The Germanness was BEATEN OUT of all the Americans with German heritage – Speaking the German language was forbidden – German influence suppressed – BOMBED OUT due to the anti-German Jewish agitators in media and politics, the vilest hate propaganda lies, and two world wars falsely blamed on the Germans.
There could have been peace in Europe again in 1916, IF the German Kaiser’s PEACE PROPOSALS had not been ignored by the British government… IF it hadn’t been for the Jewish Zionist-British CONSPIRACY REALITY pulling the US in (twice – in 1917, and again in 1941) – The international Freemasonic Rothschild Zionists wanted war (to destroy the German Kaiserreich and the Third Reich in order to steal Palestine for the genocidal Talmudic Satanic Zionist Jews, in 1948 ISRAHELL was founded) –
A completely different timeline & world development could have been possible… IF – – –
Most Americans/Amerikaners have never been to Europe – except as enemy invaders/destroyers/occupiers – – –
Gordon – How can you be sure that you could not fit in anywhere? – Just wondering why you don’t feel European at all – Your ancestors came from there. A few Americans/Amerikaners seem to be curious though to learn more about true history… the European connection, the very roots…
What do Amerikaners identify themselves with – if not with their European roots, the European heritage? What are the specific traditions the Midwestern Amerikaners have?
The rambling on about such questions would be fun listening to – Interesting to learn about. Maybe, you would like to make a podcast about that?
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As you Amerikaner guys like Bavarian traditions – Oktoberfest & Biergardens
München, Augustiner Keller – Enjoy! (no need for irresponsible excessive drinking behavior mind you)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCTqcPNuYPE
And some more tradition – Huge festivals – here: 19 000 attendants playing popular pieces of music – A familiar good atmosphere – wholesome.
Woodstock der Blasmusik 2023 – Gesamtspiel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM_NCIN_01U
Tradition – traditional “oompah“ music can be FUN FOR ALL AGES – Festivities where people of all ages, and families with children can safely mingle – Community events, not at all boring, people only need to know how to behave in a civilized manner – – –
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In western Europe there are seldom “bears camping in the woods“ any more – but once again armies of invaders keep flooding in, brought in by “Jews for rapefugees” – More and more destroying all safety for white women and children, for white men and boys as well – Nothing to make fun about – American men (the moronic ones) make the impression of being rather sexist, a kind of “humor“ which does not go down well in Europe – Too many bad (war) memories you (should) know – – WE ARE TRULY SICK OF ALL THE
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Definitely an interesting show, I can see where Walt is coming from even if I don’t agree with him. It’s good to have this sort of dialog, otherwise people just end up in echochambers.
I only listened halfway through, and that’s only because I felt most of the interesting discussion was already had. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’ve got a few things to say which will probably bother everyone. The first one is about Walt, and I hope he takes the criticism in mind in future shows.
Walt, you talk about how much you like sex with women so often in such a short span of time that it started to sound like you were trying to convince us. I’m not going to clutch pearls over the fornicating because I don’t really care that much, but I could do without hearing so much about it.
Now apart from that, I rather enjoyed what I listened to even if it got a little repetitive at times. Both of you handled yourself well enough, and I came out of it with a better opinion of Walt than what I got from his article. I’m pretty sure I didn’t finish that, either, but Hitler’s best advice actually wasn’t political at all. I don’t have Mein Kampf on me right now, but somewhere in there he suggests only reading something up to the moment you’re fairly certain you get the point.
And it’s easy for me to get Walt’s point in this podcast because much to my shock it’s an stance I share, at least as far as his outlook on Jews goes. I’m a blue collar guy, so I’ve only got one Jewish friend, but I am pretty close to her. And I’ll be blunt; the average White woman is not nearly as engaging to speak with. You can blame Jewish propaganda for the state of White women, but Jews aren’t immune to that either. Even when following the same propaganda, the average Jew often has a better grasp on things than the average White person. That’s really important to understand for my next point, which is that Walt is 100% right that working with Jews is a worthwhile endeavor. Of course we have to avoid deluding ourselves into thinking of them as allies. They’ll never be a real ally like we can be to each other.
But as time goes on and our views become more and more mainstream we start to gain leverage over them. What we’re doing – and need to continue to do – is increasing the political cost of being anti-White. There are a number of suggestions I have on how to do that. Maybe I’ll write an article on it or something.
I guess the ultimate point that needs to be made here is this: White nationalism cannot work without using realpolitik to get there. Pragmatism is a necessity. Purity spiraling is a luxury. First you gain the power, then you purge the opposition.
I wanted to give him a chance, but this guy is just a grifter, and a poor one at that. I don’t even know why he’s attempting to stay connected to the dissident right. Walt seems perfectly content with the status quo, licking the boots of his Jewish bosses and fooling around with foreign women. Walt complains about Midwesterners rooting for partially black football teams, and just a few minutes later tries to explain why it’s perfectly okay for him to share a bed with brown women. I understand perfectly why he didn’t make any friends in Omaha, he’s a smug, self-aggrandizing cheat. He embodies everything Midwesterners hate about coasties. He spent half an hour explaining that his hedonistic behavior is okay because he’s a “rock-star”, whatever the fuck that means, then went on to suggest the right needs to start punishing people who call out shitty behavior such as his. I don’t know what pissed me off more, that or Family Dollar Andrew Tate trying to sell our guys advice on how to be a sellout like him. The only thing he said that I agree with is that if he came to a smaller Nebraska town and acted like he does he absolutely would have gotten unsolicited help in relocating.
Make no mistake, if this schlomo bismarck ever had sex it was with another man.
That was another thing that got me. He sounds like that one guy in high school who would tell you any chance he got, “Dude, dude, I’ve had sex with, like, 1000 girls, okay? I have sex all the time guys!”.
“Correct me if I’m wrong“ (Idealist) –
Should you take an American guy by his word? I guess rather not. Anyways – I too have some more things to say which will certainly bother someone
“I only listened halfway through…“ (Idealist) –
Not taking the time to listen to all of what has been said – can not only be taken as a sign of disrespect, a lack of interest, a lack of seriousness although the topic is an extremely serious one… Making half-baked conclusions is the worst case! That’s neither “idealistic“ nor “pragmatic“; it’s something else. Naive, wilfully ignorant, or whatever. You may call it stupid – The “stupid goy“ the Jews need the most, and despise the most…
“I don’t really care that much“ –
That’s a statement you can hear much too often from Americans – They too often simply do not care – They seldom take things as serious as they should be taken – An attitude which can cause lots of problems…
(Idealist) First criticizing the sex-obsessed life style (or rather the immaturity, the boasting of a “nerd“, fantasies about having sex with Jewish “nerds“) and then lightly waving it all off = rather contradictory
“I came out of it with a better opinion of Walt“ (Idealist) –
How so? – There is someone “a little bit“ confused = very much confused. Where does that “better opinion of Walt“ stem from? = An unresolved riddle…
“… it got a little repetitive at times“ (Idealist) –
Not only “a little“, it was repetitive all the way through… – Why not call a spade a spade?
The direct approach is the most effective… when talking to a Jew or “spiritually Jewish“ guy. – An advice which could be given by Hitler himself – right out of “Mein Kampf“ – He knew that you have to NAME THE JEW, he needs to be confronted with his trickery, lies and crimes, exposed and disarmed…
Sure, they do not like that at all… Directness disarms them most easily. They have no arguments at all that can stand the test. None at all. Jewish Power is built on deception, on lies. That’s the reason why they avoid and suppress any real debate. Even by criminalizing free speech, the asking of questions…
“… only reading something up to the moment you’re fairly certain you get the point.“ (Idealist) –
And you (Idealist) are “fairly certain“ you got the point? – Of this Walt-Gordon conversation? – Of the Jewish problem? The seriousness?
“And it’s easy for me to get Walt’s point in this podcast because much to my shock it’s a stance I share, at least as far as his outlook on Jews goes“ (Idealist) – “I am going to protect them; I like them (Jews)“ (Walt)
The point of this podcast is: “To like the Jews“? Or rather: BEWARE of Jews & “spiritually Jewish“ infiltrators – Deception – Making promises of money & power – repetitive – an intense recruitment effort…
“Walt is 100% right that working with Jews is a worthwhile endeavor.“ (Idealist) –
Allowing to be infiltrated & taken over… Fighting all the ZIONIST WARS for a hundred+ years – All and everything for the consolidation of tyrannical genocidal Satanic GLOBAL JEWISH POWER – has been “a worthwhile endeavor“? – Extremely destructive & self-destructive! IDIOTIC.
“Purity spiraling is a luxury. First you gain the power, then you purge the opposition.“ (Idealist) –
“DIE!“ – “Diversity / Multiculturalism / Race Mixing“, the loss of homogeneity, unity, racial & cultural identity, the loss of strength – “Inclusion / Tolerance / L-G-B-T-Q- P+“ – Pedo-Criminality, all kinds of Talmudic perversions, the sexual & spiritual abuse of children as “the new normal“, the loss of ethics and morals – “Equality / Equity / Affirmative Action“, the loss of meritocracy, of excellence is a Jewish Black Magick DEATH SPELL for all white nations! Replacement Migration / WHITE GENOCIDE!
The survival of the white race is not a “luxury“, it is a necessity.
Satanic Jews have gained the power, and are constantly purging all opposition… Genocidal Jews want multiple mass murder with impunity… – To suppress all criticism they call criticism “hatred“ – “anti-Semitism“ – The non-sensical bla bla of psychopaths… The truth is “hate“ for the haters of the truth…
Gordon Kahl for Führer. I’ll put my account where my mouth is and go say all my negative stuff about Walt on /his/ blog.
A lot of this really boils down to having different values, and I do see a lot of the manosphere stuff impacting Walt’s views. I’d still have a beer with the guy though.
An alternative to the “Get money and Get Pussy” is a minimalistic mindset. I don’t need $600,000 to get by, I live comfortably with $60,000. If I stay on my current trajectory, I’m looking at an early retirement just by virtue of not being retarded with my spending. If I get fired for whatever reason, I have 1-2 years worth of living expenses I can use before even touching my retirement accounts. Life’s a lot easier when you don’t need to work twelve hour days to pay for your Victorian mansion. I also don’t need multiple women in my life, I only need just the one.
I’m sure Walt has an understanding of culture, but the arguments he was using (especially when women were mentioned) were arguments made by someone who does not understand culture. It was extremely Libertarian. We could use the same sort of reasoning to ask how minorities aborting their babies or using fent affects you personally. Something doesn’t need to affect me personally in order for me to care about it. A different argument is going to be needed to square the circle of having conservative views while living liberally. If he thinks being chaste is a good thing, then he should put his money where his mouth is.
I’m not sure how or if this had an impact on Walt’s stay, but I have seen some small towns resentful towards remote workers. This is just due to basic economics. A remote worker isn’t filling the pumps at the gas station, stocking the shelves at the store, or patching up roads that’ve had pot holes for years. Remote workers are taking a spot in the parking lot at the local bar though.
They’re not doing anything to increase the supply of the town they are living in, but they are increasing demand on a micro level. Also I could see someone who works all day at a factory being resentful towards someone who stays home all day and makes three times their salary. It’s the “must be nice” mindset, which I frankly cannot stand.
It may be best for Walt to stop and think about what his goals are. If the goal is to raise a family, what type of home does he want his children to grow in? What type of mother does he want for them to have? Cities are notorious for being a poor place to start a family for a variety of reasons, and I’d agree with the idea that they are IQ shredders. I’d love to have a calm, quiet, stress-free home with an agreeable woman to raise my children with all the care and attention they need. I don’t need a Bugatti to do that, and I’m happy I’m able to do that where I am.
All that being said, this was a very enjoyable conversation to listen to, thank y’all for having it and not putting it behind a paywall! I wish you all the best!
Walt is a jew.
This Walt guy sounds Indian.
I’m pretty sure he’s just a White guy lol.
You don’t have to be a mischling in blood to be a mischling in spirit.
I agree with the above poster who says these “reformed” WN’s tend to adopt the same soulless pursuits and then defend this choice with flimsy excuses when the truth is they took not only a personal inventory but one of the state of WN, did a cost vs benefit analysis, and realized that in their lifetime there are likely zero gains to be made from martyring one’s self to the cause, and unless they have artistic ambitions, because there is no substitute for the Cause, were left with hedonism. It seems like a huge leap to make: a true holy cause or hedonism. We expect a slow slide from WN into lesser radicalisms before ending up where he is, we assume he never really cared. But that’s not how it works. How it works is more like a police commissioner being fired or a POTUS. You got to the top, and if you get the boot it’s retirement. No lesser position will suffice. WN to hedonist is the most common heel turn because it’s really the only choice once you know what we know and realize you don’t have what it takes to be a soldier, failed as a leader, or simply don’t think we will win. “There’s no such thing as half way crooks.”
I think you younger guys have yet to see the wages of a life of WN that goes nowhere. I’m nearing my 50s and have plenty of friends well into their 50s, well, had. They are all dying young now because around 45 a man whose cause has gone nowhere, whose family is far from a fairy tale (and lets’ face it, not many WN families end up a Rockwell portrait, Norman or George) and doesn’t have a whole lot left to live for can take a bad turn. They all realize the same thing, all that’s left is pursuing material joys (booze, mostly, and isolated, because at 50 the women aren’t much). They try to reclaim former glories and fail. They try to create new bonds that lack the value of those made in our 20s. They meet the new crop of WNs and what they have to share is not valued, often ridiculed, in fact. They wake up every morning in a world that is exponentially worse by the day, probably in debt, stuck in a rut with an obvious end. The only thing that makes the pain subside temporarily is enough booze to make a some hag endurable. And they die in their beds.
The thing is if you can code you should take this annoying dork’s offer up. You have nothing to lose by hearing him out and making money. Especially in the amounts he’s talking, because you can do good with it. Sounds like he’s loaded, see if he will put his money where his mouth is. Once you get the hang of it would he match dollar for dollar what you donate to White causes? Because you would have plenty to spread around with a mid level 6 figure salary. Could you then turn around and train others to repeat the process? If I were in the spot I was at age 30 I would jump at the opportunity to have a job mentor with a proven track record who claims it’s easy. Who ever told you they could do that for you, simply because you are White? Stop looking the gift horse in the mouth you guys.