For today’s episode, Super reviews a debate between George, a Christian White Nationalist, and Whitaker, a libtard normie evangelical podcast guy. Let’s dive deep into points of persuasion and ask some frank questions about how we frame our beliefs.
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Whitaker is a fool when he says the US belongs to the Native Americans. The land settled by Europeans was bought and paid for (and mostly uninhabited). The Indians, many of whom regularly involved in ritual sin that was enough to move God to demand annihilation of nations that engaged in similar practices in the OT (such as cannibalism and ritual sacrifice), took a dim view of that and began massacring settlers. It got so bad that pacifists like the Quakers and Hutterites petitioned the colonial governments to take up arms. There were some duplicitous dealings by the settlers and they weren’t totally guiltless in their interactions with the Indians, but the war guilt lies almost exclusively with the Indian tribes. Largely, white settlers wanted to establish their own homes and live in peace. The fact we let the war drag out for centuries shows how little bloodlust white people had towards the Indians. When people bring up incidents like Wounded Knee to shame white people, they admit complete historical ignorance of the circumstances. The US Army was deployed there to halt the genocide of the Crow and other regional tribes by the Sioux and other allied tribes as well as securing US interests in the area that had been negotiated with the Crow. Look at the thanks history has granted them. Canada has similar stories. Their reward for saving the Algonquin from genocide at the hands of the Iroquois was to be accused of the genocide themselves.
The problem with the Indians is that we dealt fairly with them typically, and they dealt falsely with us typically. It’s easy to take a cynical view of manifest destiny, but there was plenty of land at the time and the Indians just couldn’t bear to live in peace. They declared war and it’s only in their defeat and the cowing of the descendants of the white settlers that they have reshaped the narrative about it. It’s the equivalent of a man attempting to mug another man at knifepoint, getting shot and killed, and the victim’s family talking about how unfair it was that he didn’t have a gun and how cruel the gunman is. Of course this happens frequently these days for the same reason that our historical understanding of the Indian wars is so warped. I feel badly for the Indians in the US and pray that they find some peace in a constructive identity (as opposed to an obstructive one) and convert to Christianity while finding a way to honor the just and noble aspects of their tribal traditions. But I’m not willing to tolerate the blood libel and lies that are heaped on the descendants of white settlers.
Cards on the table, I’m an atheist EX-Christian (fundamentalist). There are many lines of argument in this question (and what is the question, even, exactly?)
Anyway, God created us on different continents, so apparently He was ok with blacks doing without us then, and he should be, now, too. But then I remember that Christians are supposed to ‘go into all the world and preach the gospel’, and, blacks thereby become neighbors, and how are Christians supposed to treat neighbors? Very very well (‘the good Samaritan’). How do you extricate yourself from your neighbor when he doesn’t want to leave, and doesn’t want you to leave, either? That’s a more concrete discussion imo. Are you even allowed to leave, if he needs you? Fobbed off with a lot of promises of support, maybe. And some sort of benevolent colonialism, even if they don’t want it (how else to protect them from their own, almost universally corrupt, rulers? Only one non-corrupt one in Africa, the guy in Rwanda).
I believe Jared Taylor is a Christian, though he won’t answer that question, but this https://www.amren.com/videos/2024/06/the-future-of-christianity/ video of his speaks well of Christianity (though that can be done objectively). If he a Christian, his answer to this would be valuable, since he’d have had to work it out for himself. If he is, this: https://www.amren.com/videos/2024/07/the-moral-basis-for-racial-separation/ should contain Christian-compatible arguments (but I haven’t watched it recently, to pick the arguments out).