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Serfs were not slaves and had codified rights in most feudal societies. Serfs did not belong to anyone. Serfs definitionally belonged to the land they were on. And nobles typically didn’t own the land, either, they were licensed to govern and defend it through the titles apointed by the king, whose authority is God-given. The prima nocta trash is strictly a myth.
Every time I try to listen to this podcast you choose to muddy your position by talking about things you don’t have any actual knowledge about. You get several layers deep into hypotheticals that don’t matter.
The best episodes are typically those where you’re making a direct response. Instead of saying “some people believe this and here’s why it’s wrong,” I think you’d be better off finding a detailed argument for the position in question and tackling it that way. In cases where no such detailed argument exists, the point probably isn’t actually worth discussion in the first place.
I’m not as dumb as you’d like me to be.
Here, take a read on these two (which I posted in the show notes on episode 328), and tell me what you think:
https://legalhistorymiscellany.com/2019/08/15/how-to-tell-a-serf-from-a-slave-in-medieval-england/
https://worcestercathedrallibrary.wordpress.com/2022/03/28/serfdom-or-slavery/
As for prima nocta, you can find it as a running theme in dozens of historical sources as far back as ~300 BC; whether or not it actually *happened* is a different matter.
Slaves also had codified rights, for whatever that’s worth. I’ve always found the “Serfs were totally different from slaves” argument kind of pedantic and legalistic; “you don’t own the serf you own the land which just so happens to have serfs on it that can’t leave without your permission,” meanwhile you have stuff like “stadtluft macht frei” (“Town Air Makes You Free”) where if a Serf escaped his Lord’s lands for a year or more in town without discovery he was legally no longer a serf and couldn’t be punished. AND the serf’s children are almost always born into serfdom themselves. I don’t really know what else to call that. At best you could say a serf was a type of slave with more rights than thralls, I’d certainly rather be a serf than an out and out thrall or whatever, but at a minimum we’d describe a serf today as someone being human trafficked – those people usually sign contracts too.